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alternatively: did someone do a "tech should be apolitical" recently

@hikari I haven't gone hunting for it, but given the sources of the chatter, I think someone did at least a "tech should be apolitical" on one of the Asahi linux channels.

@hikari Apparently Alyssa's post briefly made HN's front page and that went about as well as you'd expect.

@steve @hikari I would be shocked if it got more than 5 comments before being flagged

@saagar @steve the site tolerates such a wide spectrum of political discussion: from white liberalism to white fascism and everything in between!

@hikari @steve Honestly politics should be banned from Hacker News, not because it doesn’t belong near technology, but on account of the site being unable to moderate those discussions

@hikari @steve If you design your site around longtime users flagging awful content things don’t work if they end up being the best at deciding which discussions they never want to enter

@saagar @steve politics should be banned from HN because currently the ban only extends to certain relatively left-ish topics and the ban is enforced by the userbase :/

@hikari @saagar @steve liberals/fascists banning politics just means no talking about trans people or any kind of oppression. just smile while we stab you. :)

@mewtrino @hikari @steve It’s only oppression if it comes from the EU in the form of regulation. Otherwise it’s just sparkling discomfort

@saagar @hikari are you implying that an overwhelmingly straight cis male middle-class reactionary userbase who believe themselves to be the put-upon minority may not be the most accurate judges of the boundaries of acceptable political discourse?

@hikari tech should be apolitical like The Manhattan Project

@hikari “Recently” in this case means “last couple of months” I believe if that helps you adjust your understanding of the level of badness

@hikari I guess if you haven’t been following on that timescale either the TL;DR is that legislators in many states have actively introduced and passed legislation to deny human rights to people who identify as transgender

@saagar I'm vaguely aware of the wave of various horrible laws but not most of the details. I guess I was assuming there was some particular inflection point of horribleness recently

@hikari @saagar

It’s probably a combination of Florida criminalizing more and more things, and a growing number of other states following Florida’s example. And there’s also the debate between “you can just leave!” and “no, we can’t, leaving is incredibly expensive”.

You can see the ugly details at https://github.com/jmaslak/trans-travel/tree/main/us . Florida’s incoming laws are bad enough to warrant an advisory against any travel to Florida.

@dcoderlt @hikari Yeah there’s also the part where it becomes less “why don’t you just move. lol.” and more “the terms ‘refugee’ and ‘asylum’ are now relevant for my situation because I can’t have my rights guaranteed here”

@saagar hmm, the posts i'm thinking about are from like the last three days, but maybe it's coincidence

@hikari Florida did a bathroom thing last week I guess, but I don’t recall anything major since then

@hikari someone in open-source wrote a long toot about the trans experience and the orange website took it poorly until the thread got flagged

@rcombs oh