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can we make CDs, DVDs, Blu-rays and Ultra HD Blu-rays cool again so that pieces of media don't fall into a cultural black hole once streaming services stop carrying them due to tax write-offs or lack of interest. thanks

@hikari optical disks rot so maybe not them

@bob @hikari
Good point
I feel that a Read-only version of SD cards would work perfectly

@hikari @AlanyG21 mask rom is still a thing

@bob @hikari @AlanyG21 weren't switch cartridges using it, too?

@bob @hikari @AlanyG21 ah no they're using a type of flash memory it seems

@whitequark @bob @AlanyG21 yeah the thing is that while you can do mask ROM, flash has been cheaper for the last two decades so I don't think many people do. in a few decades, people will notice that 1990's devices still work but 2000's ones don't

@hikari @bob @AlanyG21 personally I'm still unconvinced this will come down to "not flash" vs "flash" as opposed to "flash or not flash" vs "flash that was fucked up"

@hikari @bob @AlanyG21 'cause like, there are other aging effects in semiconductors too, right? it's not limited to flash, you have to do studies for electromigration too, and at least you can easily dump flash and replace it with something else if you care as an archivist

having to find NOS CPUs is so much worse

@whitequark @bob @AlanyG21 yeah that's fair. for switch carts there's multiple grades of flash, at least two, with lower production runs getting the worse kind apparently

@hikari @whitequark @bob @AlanyG21 the dsi is notorious for having such low flash endurance that they started failing years ago

@hikari @whitequark @bob @AlanyG21 the homebrew community recommends not running anything official or unofficial from the internal storage whenever possible

@hikari @whitequark @bob @AlanyG21 can we not engrave crystals with data for extended storage? We’re gonna need a lot of crystal fast. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_optical_data_storage

@hikari @whitequark @bob @AlanyG21 or nanostructured glass since I didn’t read that far 😅

@whitequark @bob @hikari @AlanyG21 IIRC, I read that games that were expected to sell in high volumes were done with mask roms, but everything else just used flash, as it was more economical.

@jernej__s @whitequark @hikari @AlanyG21 I've seen cheap gameboy carts that even used battery-backed ram

@jernej__s @whitequark @hikari @AlanyG21 those were shenzen specials, though, I don't think nintendo did that

@bob @jernej__s @hikari @AlanyG21 for *code*?!

@whitequark @jernej__s @hikari @AlanyG21 code and data, yep

@bob @jernej__s @hikari @AlanyG21 that's cursed

@bob @whitequark @hikari @AlanyG21 How long did those last‽

@hikari @bob
1st. I didn't expect you answering, I love the existence of TouchHLE and I hope it's development gets bigger and better
2nd. Right, but as how Bob said, Mask ROMs still exist, so they could make something like a special SD-based card format which is read-only and made with Mask ROMs

@hikari @AlanyG21 @bob I'd have to find the relevant Life After People episode, but- assuming I remember the episode correctly- I remember hearing that CD-ROMs (not the R/RW crap) should last ~200 years.

@cr1901 @AlanyG21 @bob some factories' output had serious problems with disc rot on a much shorter timescale than that, but I imagine those problems got fixed eventually