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‪i can't bring myself to buy a new laptop with non-upgradeable storage and philosophically i like the idea of the framework but coming from an apple laptop i am surely going to be very disappointed in the build quality. maybe i should just get a thinkpad or something‬

@hikari I go to Costco and buy whatever they are selling at the lagging edge of technology, usually after Thanksgiving when there are the best deals (manufacturers are dumping leftover inventory of the old model year). Costco doubles the warranty, and I buy with a credit card that adds an extra year. Then I just run the laptop into the ground before repeating the cycle.

@tprophet @hikari I am curious how many years you get out of that, I can imagine wildly different answers from different people!

@jrose @hikari These things are engineered to fail as soon as the warranty is up. I usually end up using the free extended warranty. After that I use a laptop until it breaks for the most part.

@tprophet @hikari No, but, how many years is that? If it’s “two”, this doesn’t sound like a great plan; if it’s “six” then you’re certainly getting a deal.

@jrose @hikari Technology changes enough that you won't get 6 years, but 3-4 is realistic. Note I buy the $700 special and it's only good for that long from a technology perspective anyway.

@hikari I've never replaced a laptop due to storage space exhaustion, it's always been for a perf improvement (which is never upgradeable in laptops anyway) or because the old one is suffering some sort of failure

@rcombs you live your life differently to me, it seems

but also i must point out that framework's whole point is you can improve perf without replacing the entire thing

@saagar @rcombs the user can't, or the company can't?

@saagar @rcombs framework will happily sell you a new mainboard. are you expecting them to fail or are you expecting the mainboard cost to be high enough it makes more sense to sell the whole unit and buy a new laptop

@hikari huh, I didn't realize the mainboard was upgradable; remains to be seen how well that goes over time, though; I'll be impressed if a single layout ends up longer-lived than eg a CPU socket tends to be (i.e. just short enough for upgrades to rarely be worthwhile)

@hikari particularly given the timing with the windows PC market currently quite possibly at the cusp of its ARM moment; if they've managed to design a laptop chassis that can accommodate an end-user-performed upgrade across CPU architectures, I will be *incredibly* impressed

@rcombs they already launched both intel and amd versions of their product though i don't know off the top of my head if you can actually switch between them

@hikari @rcombs afaik, you can buy just an AMD mainboard (https://frame.work/products/mainboard-kit-amd-ryzen-7040-series) and then follow the guide they have published (https://guides.frame.work/Guide/AMD+Ryzen+7040+Series+Upgrade+Overview/205) to swap it in (including from an Intel board)

@hikari @rcombs Yes, you can freely switch between Intel and AMD mainboards for Framework laptops. The case is the same for each.

@hikari the new (post-x220) keyboards suck bad big time imo def try them somewhere before

and yes coming from the macbook you'll be disappointed with most if not all. they get at least three things right more than anyone: screen, keyboard and trackpad

@hikari been a few years but the dell xps 13 seems a better choice if you're going for build quality (but the xps is also infamous for coil whine if you care about that and what is still mostly if entirely a non-thing on macs)

@aliceisjustplaying they = lenovo?

@hikari no, they=apple. apple gets those things right. except between 2016 and 2020 but we don't talk about that.

@hikari not yet, but it should be arriving in the next couple of weeks.

@hikari update: my wife has been using her Framework 16 for a couple of days now, and hasn't had any issues so far! Really likes it (it's a big upgrade compared to her old laptop).

Did you have any specific questions?

@Ongion i'll probably be getting a 13 and it turns out i have a friend who already has one, so it'd make more sense to ask them, but i'm glad to hear of another positive experience! i'm kinda curious what config your wife is using, the customisable elements for the 16 seem really neat…

@hikari she went with the GPU, RGB backlit keyboard, and the LED matrices. GPU seems perfectly serviceable for the games she plays.

The LED matrices don't really have a good out-of-the-box configuration tool, but they provide a Python module you can use to write your own stuff. She hasn't messed with them yet, but doesn't seem like it'd be too complicated based on the documentation.

@hikari RGB keyboard maybe isn't *as* configurable as like, a "gamer" keyboard (at least not with the provided configuration tool), but still has an impressive number of preset options.

@Ongion is this the keyboard where all the keys are transparent and you have to use muscle memory?

@hikari no, it's the one with letters on 'em. Just got RGB backlighting.

@hikari I have one. It is not quite as robustly build as I would expect and they weren't super generous with replacement of a broken display. I also broke my USB port (where it came in really handy that it is replaceable). Maybe just a series of bad luck. I also have sound issue where I need to restart pulseaudio. This is likely fixable but I also would expect this to work without problems for something like this. I still generally like it though.

@hikari I like my framework a lot. it is the best laptop I've ever owned.

@aeva what have you owned before?

@hikari a very nice but somewhat cursed samsung ultra book, various thinkpads from the golden era, a work issued macbook, and some misc cheap ones that aren't worth mentioning

@hikari my entire experience with the framework laptop is that a friend got one and immediately sheared the head off an M.2 screw such that the remainder of the shaft was near-flush with the standoff

@hikari I‘m no follower, but I have one and I really like it.