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megacorp-scale software projects are so unsustainable. if your project's source code is larger than a gigabyte or takes more than a few minutes to compile… god, i'd rather sacrifice a months of my time writing a smaller alternative than have to suffer through building it

have any of you noticed how few dependencies touchHLE has, considering all the things it needs to do, and how it can be compiled in less than quarter of an hour even on an underpowered dual-core machine? that's my way of fighting back against compile-time and source-code bloat.

Google projects are a special beast though. LLVM has the scale of a Google project but they are not so arrogant as to think that only a Google engineer would want to download or build it.

@hikari every time I interface with a Google project I get the distinct feeling that I should either be a Google employee or know a Google employee

@hikari@social.noyu.me I used to maintain my own branch of LineageOS with some extra patches thrown in. I understand your pain.

12 hour builds for minor changes were regular because incremental/dirty builds kept breaking shit.

The newer versions I literally can not build anymore because it needs 32 GBs of RAM minimum. And I know full well it'll absolutely use up all 32 and swap like hell doing it.

That was not a fun few months.

@hikari but llvm is a dependency, check mate atheists /s

@eater LLVM is not a dependency of touchHLE! I considered using it for reading object files, and I do have a branch somewhere which does use it for that, but I was able to find a much more lightweight alternative

@hikari rustc can work without llvm?

@eater oh i see what you mean, but i don't have to build rustc myself at least

@hikari Wait LLVM is actually easy to build though, all you really need is CMake and a bit of patience

@hikari Ok to be fair its source code is very large and it takes a while but like on the hierarchy of how much things suck there’s like

* ./configure && make && sudo make install
* Some simple custom build script
* CMake
* Download the internet

and LLVM is in category 3

@saagar yeah I completely agree (https://social.noyu.me/@hikari/statuses/01H5HXKCVRJWEY246KSV4XXR5A). an LLVM checkout may be at least 2GB in size and it might take an hour to build, but it is a single git repo, uses a normal build system, and is at least partially modular, so it's not too bad. i've worked on multiple projects that integrate it

@saagar also LLVM has this amazing thing called OFFICIAL BINARY RELEASES that Google have never heard of

@saagar so yeah it was definitely unfair of me to so much as utter LLVM in the same breath as ANGLE or Chromium

@hikari Binaries? You mean the things that exist to run on servers?

@saagar facebook voice binaries? you mean the multi-gigabyte blobs we have to use BitTorrent to distribute to our datacentres?