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‪in other words it is a single small device that would solve all my problems‬

‪i would also be incredibly dependent on it i guess but it's like… it really would solve So many problems in the most convenient possible way‬

‪oh wtf it actually has an incredibly cut down set of effects compared to the other pedals in the series? now i'm sad, that makes it a lot less interesting‬

it's actually worse than i thought it only has ampsims, room ambience, eqs and delays? i guess that's better than nothing but…

‪the thing is i had been casually considering its siblings, which are versatile multi-effect pedals in the exact same form factor, and this one has the bigger number, which made me just assume it was strictly more capable? gaah‬

‪it really sucks because usb audio is killer for me‬

‪zoom also give it the short description of “multistomp guitar pedal”, which is the exact same description as its normal guitar multi-effect siblings with smaller numbers, rather than as a “multistomp looper pedal” like for the other odd one out. my confusion was reasonable surely‬

‪…i hate that the best alternative solution for my purposes might literally just be to buy the ms-80ir+ together with one of its actually-a-multi-effects-pedal siblings and two patch cables. it just has the Correct form factor, this is a huge selling point to me‬

actually if that's how i feel i should probably be looking at the zoom g2 four, it's the actual product i want (all-in-one versatile multi-fx + ampsim + cabsim + usb audio interface) and somehow cheaper than the ms-80ir+; unfortunately the form factor is a lot less cute/small…

‪what the fuck the zoom ms-60b+, the bass multi-fx pedal, has cabsim but the ms-50g+ and ms-70cdr+ non-bass guitar multi-fx pedals don't???‬

‪market segmentation rules everything around me‬

‪i have problems, i arbitrarily fixate on specific products and then spend far too long reading their spec sheets over and over‬

‪anyway‬

‪i now know the zoom g2 four has all the ms-g50+'s effects AND all the ms-80ir+'s built-in amps bar one AND even some of the ms-70cdr+'s reverbs‬

the prices look like:

ms-50g+ €149
ms-80ir+ €199
g2 four €159

the last of these is really a bargain compared to buying the other two together. 90% of the functionality in more or less the same amount of space for less than half the price, albeit in a less sturdy enclosure

‪the ms-80ir+ feels bizarrely overpriced to me for what it is‬

‪alas it still has something very compelling to me: it has two instrument-level inputs, so you can put stereo effects before it! even if i didn't care about the amp/cab modelling, there's no comparably small usb audio interface with this feature that i know of…‬

ok for all my frustrations and the slightly uncomfortable price tag, i think i have decided i will just bite the bullet and buy the zoom ms-80ir+ (and nothing else just yet), because it should definitively solve all the problems with my current setup that get in the way of Guitar

i'm not even mad that it's not a multi-effect pedal. my incredibly stubborn and autistic brain has been torturing itself by thinking through every permutation of my personal problems→solutions→problems graph for weeks and is actually the optimal product for my niche afaict

well, there goes 2,333 SEK 💸

@hikari if you're willing to hack them, there's a well-known program called Zoom Effect Manager that can add the effects from all of these pedals into one.

https://zoomeffectmanager.com/

EDIT: this might only apply to the previous, not + version of these. not sure what the newer versions bring.

@hikari may I suggest the zoom h4n. it's a different form factor but it:

* will record stuff for you onto an SD card,
* has a built-in stereo mic + two instrument/line/XLR connectors
* is also a *multi-track* recorder w/ stuff like overdubbing, punch in/out, etc...
* pretty good selection of FX, usable in multi-track mode or when operating as an audio interface
* built-in (mono, bad) speaker, plus headphone out
* also usable as a metronome and tuner
* you can probably find old crusty ones for pretty cheap

but

* takes weirdly long to boot up
* weird UI jank
* kinda battery hungry
* I've never tested the FX when using it as a USB audio interface, or tried to use the FX for anything except recording (in MTR mode). so maybe it won't actually work for this at all
* not sure how deep you can make the effects chain, you may only be able to do 2 at a time

@mimir a recorder seems pretty distant from what i actually need unfortunately