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was remarking to my gf that it's been years since i consciously thought about the fact that part of what makes anime anime is that it doesn't have lip-sync, that speech is dubbed over and is subservient to the animation, not vice-versa; the original japanese is also a “dub”

anime actually does have meaningful mouth shapes occasionally, for dramatic effect

さ・よ・な・ら

this looks amazing when animated. maybe because it's four syllables. you just couldn't get that drama out of a “goodbye” or « adieu »

…but it's not synced, it's silent! hehehe

i should clarify that i'm talking about two things at once:

• that in anime, the animation is done first, and the voice is dubbed over second to match the animation timing
• that western animation likes making mouth shapes match pronunciation, not just (vaguely) timing

i think i like the anime way better. there's something about how it makes the voice-acting subservient to the animation and not vice-versa, and how it is relatively neutral with respect to which language is dubbed over, that i think is pretty cool

man it's fascinating what details are and aren't synced once you pay attention to them. anime seems to do it for emphasis rather than doing it routinely

@hikari my understanding is that they do match lip flaps coarsely to the written dialog but its animated before/in parallel with recording so exact matches tend to be intentionally rhytmic pronounciations

@hikari also iirc for some of the Disney Ghibli dubs they did some lipflap tweaks to the video(!) but i don’t remember the source of this so don’t quote me

@erincandescent @hikari spirited away's DVD behind the scenes mention this!

@scarlet @hikari ooh, I need to look at a raw rip of a Spirited Away BD to see if they did Blu-Ray Seamless Branching

@erincandescent yeah, they have to anticipate and imagine the performance (and the performance has to not stray too far from what is imagined)

@hikari sorry if you are not expected to mention about original language voices in this post, but in some (or... almost? i don't have any proof though) cases, (lip) animation is not finished when recording original language's voice ( e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J9AWTBIZFc ), so original language's voice is first and then make (detail, like lipsync) animation in those cases i guess